Tuesday, 18 December 2012
A 'unity of Nationalists' which includes Nazis?
Mark Pringle: “National Socialism is a biological struggle, or group evolutionary survival strategy…”
“I have been a member of what you would call 'Nazi' groups in the past. I've also been active with the EDL. You obviously have no concept of what 'Nazism', or to use its proper term, National Socialism, really is. … Repatriation is the answer. Nationalism can only be based on race or ethnicity. National Socialism is ultra-patriotism.”
“And by the way, I'm not a Nazi.”
“Hitler got rid of those controlling the SA because they were out to depose him. What's wrong with that? After all, Tommy does it all the time.”
“You EDL are always going on about Churchill…”
“Pass the sick bucket..... Hel, where are you…”
[This was a response to a post which highlighted my experiences of Muslim violence and intimidation towards my family, me, my friends and English people generally. This alone shows you how shallow and nasty these people are. It can hardly be said that they are engaging in politics at all.]
Thomas Cooper: “The EDL is riddled with queers even has a gay lesbo tranny division lol. Glad that wanker Lemon [!!!] is locked up hopefully get 5 years.”
“You people are meant to be Nationalist, yet always ridicule the greatest political ideology that was ever created National Socialism. Basically you people are not worth a fart and deserve your fate.”
British Nationalist: “The key is to support all groups and wash our dirty linen in private. There's good and bad in all movements.”
The worst thing I noticed about these Nazi posters, both recently and since the EDL Extra page began, is that they never had – or have - anything to say about Islam and the rise of Islamic power in England. Nothing. Not a word. In fact one Nazi accused me of being obsessed with Islam. (This was on a counter –jihad Facebook page which includes lots of stuff on the Left as well.)Of course the Nazis will be against Muslims but only because they are all ‘Pakis’ with brown skin. Apart from that; they have no ideological or moral position against Islam. In fact because they are Nazis, they will admire Islamic totalitarianism and Islamic Jew-hatred; just as their favourite Englishman, Adolf Hitler, also did.
When I first criticised some so-called ‘patriots’, ‘washing dirty linen’ was mentioned. I had never mentioned any names - but the poster did. Some of the groups he mentioned I would never call Nazi. Some of them certainly are Nazis – even by their own admissions.
My points were very specific. Surely no one can possibly be saying that we should support every group or every position that claims to be patriotic. I argue that Nazis are not patriots. They love the state (the future Nazi state); not the people. I have also met nationalists and patriots that believe in "class war" and the extermination of people with Irish names.
I understand the need for a 'broad church'. But there are limits. Why fight IslamoNazis only to embrace other kinds of Nazi?
If those people involved want to exterminate everyone who doesn't look like the guy they see in the mirror every morning; then they are not patriots. Winston Churchill had a great admiration for lots of other cultures. Enoch Powell could speak Urdu, Greek and Latin. We are not talking about English patriots here.
Yes, “there is good and bad in all movements”, sure. I mentioned that about the Conservative Party... But should I hold hands with people who love Mein Kampf and want to kill all Pakis (including Christian Pakis)? What English people and parts of English history do these people actually know about? There's more to English patriotism than killing everyone who doesn't look like your mirror-image.
These people I am attacking contradict everything that is English. Many of them love the Nazis and German Nazism; not England. They hate the English and its traditions just as much as the Trots and the Commies do. Why is that? Because they are all totalitarian haters of democracy. They hate democracy because they can't get the British people to do exactly what they want them to do and believe. So leftists and Nazis must believe in various conspiracy theories which explain – if only to them - the fact that the majority of English people simply don't – never have or will - support them.
Some of these ‘nationalists’ slagged off Churchill for bombing the Germans, talked about “race war” and said that the EDL “is full of queers”. But, of course, being Nazis their true monomania is the Jewsssss! Their comments showed me, and many other posters, that I was right all along. Any broad church we create, any unity between nationalist or patriotic groups, cannot include Nazis who hate Churchill, criticise the RAF, believe in race war, and whose entire politics boils down to killing and fighting the Jews….then blacks… then ‘Pakis’… then the Irish…. then the gypsies… then the ‘faggots’… then people from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland… until the only people left in their book of Good Guys will be their family and friends. Perhaps not even all of them. Perhaps only the person they see in the mirror in the morning will be left.
English Nazism, then, is essentially the ideology of the political self-lover. It is the politics of (only) hate, extreme political retardation and narrow-mindedness.